[Biblemat] FW: What Islam means to women
Jerry Blount
jerry at eldorable.kscoxmail.com
Sat Jan 27 11:21:08 CST 2007
Hi
I apologize if this leads to a double listing
I have not seen it come
through yet.
Today’s posting is likely to be the most important of any we have sent since
we began some 3 years ago. Islam is a great unknown.
I have been compiling the material on Islam for several years now. Islam’s
impact on women is something that all need to be familiar with. Since we
have just elected a Muslim to congress the influence of this unknown on our
legal system is about to begin. What will said impact be?
What follows below is only the first part of the 5 part study I have
prepared. I have posted the entire study on my download site. It is just
too large to send all of it on email. (Those of you on dial up would be
burdened.)
You can read part one then go to
http://www.justeldorable.com/Jerrysislampage.html
To download the rest of it. I would recommend you save this somewhere on
your computer.
When your daughter starts dating a Muslim it will be too late. You need to
do the teaching on all this beforehand.
Here is what you will receive . . .
Part 1 Is a comparison between Muhammad’s farewell sermon and Ephesians 5
(It is included in this email below)
The other 4 parts available for you to download
.
Part 2 Is a comparison between Muhammad’s married life and the kind of
marriage taught by Christianity. Did you know that at age 55 Muhammad
married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage at age 9?
Part 3 Is a survey of the inherent right to “rape” slaves and the inherent
incompetence of women as taught by Muhammad.
Part 4 Is a survey of the lack of a woman’s intelligence and Muhammad’s
vision of hell mostly filled with women.
Part 5 Is some of the supporting documentation. This includes Muhammad’s
farewell sermon in total also a modern defense of Islamic sleeping with
someone you are not married to.
Note: I have gone to great lengths to pull these quotes directly from
Islam’s holy books. I wanted all the quotes to be authentic. They are. In
fact most of the Islamic material is straight from Muhammad.
Jerry Blount
www.letJesusleadus.org <http://www.letjesusleadus.org/>
What Islam means to women
Based on Muhammad’s farewell address compared to Ephesians 5:22-33
Part 1
Living in our politically correct society, I have begun to fear the
ignorance of most when it comes to Islam and it’s impending impact on women
in our society. Even the Islam that exists in this country is so sanitized
that most do not realize what will happen if Islam gains a significant voice
in our society. The entire relationship of men and women will change.
Elijah once made an incredible proclamation in determining who had the right
to be called, and worshipped as God. “Elijah came near to all the people
and said, "How long {will} you hesitate between two opinions? If the Jehovah
is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people did not answer
him a word.” I King 18:21
In a very similar and appropriate manner we amend Elijah’s obvious ancient
choice. If Jehovah is God, follow Him, but if Allah, follow him!
The purpose of this study will be to determine from the “sacred writings” of
Islam what this will mean. One is compelled to observe that wherever in the
world that Islam reigns, women are forced into the shadows. Slavery and
degradation follow (literally!)
Muslim woman, Bethlehem circa 1880In his farewell sermon Muhammad
summarizes his message to mankind. I have chosen two sections of that
sermon to set the stage for this study.
1) “O people: verily you owe your women their rights, and they owe you
yours. They may not lay with another men in your beds, let anyone into your
houses you do not want without your permission, or commit indecency. If they
do, Allah has given you leave to debar them, send them from your beds, or
[finally] strike them in a way that does no harm. But if they desist, and
obey you, then you must provide for them and clothe them fittingly. The
women who live with you are like captives, unable to manage for themselves:
you took them as a trust from Allah, and enjoyed their sex as lawful through
a word [legal ruling] from Allah. So fear Allah in respect to women, and
concern yourselves with their welfare. Have I given the message? -- O Allah,
be my witness.” http://muslim-canada.org/farewell.htm
2) Islam is a religion that is forbidden to change. (I am not taking issue
with this, only noting that “true Islam” is described in Muhammad’s farewell
sermon) , “O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new
faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words
which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my
example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.”
http://www.answers.com/topic/the-farewell-sermon
This sermon has been labeled the Khutbatul Wada delivered shortly before he
died.on the ninth day of Dhu al-Hijjah, 10 A.H. (632 CE). Sometimes the
Koran is both contradictory and confusing. Some of the early passages
often called the Madena passages are a little more conciliatory, but the
late Muhammad show the true character of the man and the true character of
Islam. Since it is not in chronological order, determining the difference is
sometimes difficult.
Notice that what is presented to the west is often a “cleaned up” version of
Islam. The block of text from Muhammad’s sermon above is from Muslim
sources. For our first exercise let’s notice this version of the same
sermon as posted on Wikipedia. This is an edited, toned down version for
western consumption
“ O People, It is true that you have certain rights in regard to your
women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them
as your wives, only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they
abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in
kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your
partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make
friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be
unchaste.
What is left out? _____________________________________________
One matter beyond any dispute, this farewell sermon characterizes clearly
the “final” stance of Islam toward women. Let’s digest it together.
1) It is addressed to the males “you.” You owe your women their rights, and
they owe you yours. Islam claims to be a balanced revelation. Let’s
determine what this “balance” means.
2) “They” (women) may not lay with another men in your beds, let anyone into
your houses you do not want without your permission, or commit indecency.”
A) Note that Islam is fundamentally based on an “us against
them” mentality. This extends even into the home. Within the Islamic
approach to marriage “we” is not really the equation. You and they is the
mentality.
B) Note the seclusion of women is fundamentally based in Islam.
Why do you go to a Muslim country and find women forbidden to drive? Why do
they have no voice? Obviously Muhammad did not address whether it is proper
for women to have a driver’s license. What he did address is that their
judgment was not to be trusted. My closest confidant in life is my wife of
30+ years. I want her advice and treasure it. Ultimately in Islam this is
ridiculous.
C) The restriction on adultery and indecency is not unique.
(nor should it be!)
3) “. If they do, Allah has given you leave to debar them, send them from
your beds, or [finally] strike them in a way that does no harm.” The
beating of women, is proper behavior within the home. Muhammad’s
instructions could be compared to, “don’t leave any marks.” (except that
marks seem to be ok.) This principle comes up repeatedly in the Hadith as
well. Islam clerics have tried to explain this in very different ways. It
really depends on whether they are speaking to an “insider” or a westerner
how strongly this principle is explained.
Debar means to banish. Note that the Koran directly describes this
mentality repeatedly.
“Surah 004.034 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath
made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their
property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient,
guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye
fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge
them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever
High, Exalted, Great.”
038.043 And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with It and do not
break your oath; surely We found him patient; most excellent the servant!
Surely he was frequent m returning (to Allah).
Please note that she doesn’t actually need to do anything. The
husband only needs to fear what she will do. Banish her to her room till
she dies is an integral part of modern Islam. I recall a case where an
American lady’s ex-husband absconded to Egypt with their kids. She went to
Egypt to try to get them back. However under Sharia (Islamic law) even
though they had divorced in this country that divorce was not recognized in
Egypt. She faced lifelong incarceration by the husband (banishing to beds
apart) or stoning.
http://www.apostatesofIslam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv
Here is an online link to a Iranian stoning. Unlike the more ancient
versions of stoning as found in the OT. Today’s stonings regulate little
rocks to drag out the pain. The reality of this is hard to fathom.
4) The women who live with you are like captives, unable to manage for
themselves:
As I read through this, I must confess what comes to mind is the
slavery that existed in this country 150 years ago. I have always wondered
how anyone espousing Christianity could own slaves with what the Bible
taught about respect. It seems hypocritical doesn’t it? People have always
been very good at shutting out what they do not wish to know.
Note here however, Muhammad not only promoted various kinds of
slavery in the name of God (true Islam still does.)
Muhammad actually
reduced women to mere slaves of their husbands. A woman in the literal last
address of Muhammad is given to a man as a captive or slave. Note the
subtle justification for this is the same justification often used for
slavery here 150+ years ago. (Unable to manage for themselves).
This is far different than the mere subjection taught by Christianity.
Things that within the realm of Christianity have come to be taken for
granted as “entitlements” are not a part of Islam. For example, for a
Christian to lie to his wife, or to treat her without respect is
hypocritical.
In fact Peter threatened Christian men that they would lose their souls if
they mistreated their wives
“You husbands in the same way, live with {your wives} in an understanding
way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a
fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be
hindered.” I Peter 3:7 i.e a failure to show your wife “honor” within
Christianity means a Christian man cannot even pray
The Muslim counterpart of this? It is ordained by Allah that you
can lie to your wife, to make her happy! “It is unlawful to lie, except
when making up between two people, or lying to an enemy in war, or to one’s
wife. It is also unlawful to praise or blame another with an untruth. The
Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “Lying is wrong, except
in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him;
a lie in war, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between
people” (Ahmad, 6.459. H).”
Note that the other two acceptable lies are of significant
relevance to today’s headlines aren’t they? We see peace overtures and then
immediate breaking of these peace overtures
“war is deception!”
Is a marriage where it is acceptable to tell your wife anything
needed to just make her happy a “solid” marriage? Not from a Christian
perspective!
Now compare the Islamic attitude to a summary statement concerning marriage
within Christianity.
Ephesians 5
“22. Wives, {be subject} to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of
the church, He Himself {being} the Savior of the body.
24. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives {ought to
be} to their husbands in everything.
25. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and
gave Himself up for her,
26. so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of
water with the word,
27. that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having
no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and
blameless.
28. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He
who loves his own wife loves himself;
29. for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it,
just as Christ also {does} the church,
30. because we are members of His body.
31. FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE
JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
32. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and
the church.
33. Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife
even as himself, and the wife must {see to it} that she respects her
husband.
Note that Husbands are the head of their homes within Christianity, but that
headship is far different than the “headship” of Islam.
Note vs 24 “Husbands, love your wives,”
As a simple exercise go to any online Koran and do a word search
.. see if a
Muslim is ever commanded to “love” his wife. Here is a link to an online
Koran with a good search engine connected to it.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html
Love will come up 82 x
now search and compare “not love.” 27x . What does
this show? Nearly half of all the teaching in the Koran referring to love
is actually telling about what not to love or what Allah does not love. The
positive teaching of love is not a fundamental part of the Koran’s teaching.
It does have a few passing examples but it is not the core value of the
Koran. (And it is certainly not the core teaching, relevant to husbands
and wives!)
By comparison the Bible has the simple word “love” in it 310 of it’s verses.
i.e. nearly 5x! (Note my search engine only figures on the basis of verses.
It often has love 2x in the same verse) when you start adding the variants
it literally explodes. “Loves” (62vs) “loved” (86vs) etc. This is a
graphic and fundamental difference between teaching of the Bible of
Christianity and the Koran of Islam.
Even the tell tale “Not Love” will show up as a graphic difference. In the
Bible, you will find that a large number of those phrases are actually
admonishments to love in a real way, “Little children, let us not love with
word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.” I John 3:18
Now, Husbands love your wives
by locking them up and beating them where it
doesn’t show? NO!
Ephesians 5:25. “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the
church and gave Himself up for her.”
A husband is literally expected to give himself for his family. Note the
core teaching here is very different from the core of Islam. These are both
summaries of the values behind each religion. Jesus’ death on the cross is
the model for a husband.
Compare these two statements
“Allah has given you leave to debar them, send them from your beds, or
[finally] strike them in a way that does no harm”
Ephesians 5:28-29 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their
own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated
his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also {does}
the church
Both Allah of Islam and Jehovah of Christianity claim to have created the
world. Both are presented as if they care about said creation. Which
statement is more consistent with caring about the welfare of a woman?
_____________________
I am the father of a wonderful daughter and I have one granddaughter. My
daughter is married, my granddaughter is young. With no other
considerations, which religious environment would be the most desirable to
entrust the welfare of either my daughter, granddaughter or your daughter or
granddaughter? ________________________
Is physical violence inflicted on a woman in the home considered to be abuse
or discipline in an Islamic home? _________________
Add this point to the consideration.
Ephesians 5:26. so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the
washing of water with the word
This passage is a little abstract for a concrete practical study such as
this. The absence of physical violence in his dealing with her is obvious
from the block of text included above.
Now focus on Jesus’ described behavior in the phrase “sanctify her” the term
sanctify means to set apart in a special way. It is the same term from
which we get our term holy, and saint. Cleanse her
Christ cleansed the
church through His own blood
not hers! By the word
. Note that Jesus did
not pound the church into submission. Gave of Himself and spoke (through
the word).
So now note the distinction in the methods of husbands and wives in the
daily business of living.
By the word
. Where is the reason, discipline, and direction for the family
to be obtained and directed? Through a beating or through reason and common
ground achieved through the mind? __________________
Now let’s focus on the bold portion of our passage
The Muslim’s example is
Muhammad. The Christian’s is Christ.
Ephesians
28. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He
who loves his own wife loves himself;
29. for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it,
just as Christ also {does} the church,
With this in mind focus on this part of the text, “for no one ever hated his
own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it” and compare it to Muhammad’s
“Strike them in a way that does no harm.”
If you are the parent of a daughter, which direction would you send your
children? ________________ Is it any wonder that with the decline of the
Christian home there has been a rise in violence? _______
Now let’s compare Muhammad’s summary statement to yet another command of the
NT.
“Allah has given you leave to debar them, send them from your beds, or
[finally] strike them in a way that does no harm”
Colossians 3:18-19
Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands love
your wives and do not be embittered against them.
Note that Paul’s command is not unique to the church of Ephesus, but
consistent. This discussion in Colossians is shorter. Obviously Paul does
not instruct us to pound our wives into submission mentally (Debarring or
banishment from the bedroom while we seek sexual gratification elsewhere).
Just as obviously Paul forbids the same thing physically. That said, Paul
actually goes a step further and forbids us to even be? __________________
Would this include the cold shoulder or silent treatment? _______________
He is commanding an emotion, note that love is commanded, and
_______________ is forbidden. Is satisfaction in marriage deemed to be a
choice? ___________________ If a Christian struck his wife would he be a
hypocrite? ________________ If a Muslim struck his wife would he be a
hypocrite? _________
It is significant that this fundamental philosophical difference is
pervasive. For example for a Christian to pick up a gun and kill in the
name of Jesus is forbidden (hypocrisy). For a Muslim to do the same is
demanded. Surah 47.4: When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their
heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up
the remaining captives.
Now let’s consider Muhammad’s summary statement of the environment of
married life:
The women who live with you are like captives, unable to manage for
themselves: you took them as a trust from Allah, and enjoyed their sex as
lawful through a word [legal ruling] from Allah.
Consider this summary from Peter
I Peter 3:7. You husbands in the same way, live with {your wives} in an
understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show
her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will
not be hindered.
Compare the “Unable to manager for themselves” to “ In and understanding
way.” Is there an underlying presumption in Christianity that a woman has
only ½ the intelligence of a man? _______
Compare “live with you like a captive” to “show her honor as a fellow heir
of the grace of life.” Both Islam and Christianity teach subjection for
women in marriage. What that means is obviously miles apart. If a
Christian man does not show his wife honor what does he lose?
_____________________
What does the weakness of Peter’s summary refer to? A) physically weaker or
b) mentally weaker?
Jerry Blount copyright 2007
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